‘Woke Jesus’: How a ‘Doctrine of Demons’ Is Infiltrating Christianity
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ORLANDO, Fla.—A “doctrine of demons” is invading Christian churches throughout America, twisting the Bible to advance leftist ideologies that divide individuals, warns a pastor and writer of the e book “Woke Jesus: The False Messiah Destroying Christianity.”
“I believe it’s a doctrine of demons,” Lucas Miles, pastor of Nfluence Church in Granger, Indiana, instructed “The Daily Signal Podcast” on the Nationwide Spiritual Broadcasters Conference in Orlando on Monday. “I imply, its intention is to divide individuals.”
He warns that “woke Christianity” or “progressive Christianity” or “the Christian Left” boils all the way down to a false model of the religion, tracing again to a Marxist substructure” that reframes the religion when it comes to oppressors and oppressed.
“But wokeism, it’s antithetical to Christianity,” Miles mentioned.
He remembers seeing the web site for the Black Lives Matter motion, which promoted transgender activism and the abolition of the nuclear household.
“I don’t know the way any Christian may very well be on the aspect whenever you have a look at a homosexual parade or a trans parade that’s taking place and ever have a look at that and say, ‘That appears like an occasion that’s selling righteousness or holiness,’” Miles mentioned.
Not solely does the leftist perspective typically advocate for the erosion of the nuclear household and the promotion of LGBT lifestyles that battle with the ethical teachings of Scripture, nevertheless it robs Christianity of correct discipleship.
Miles argues that wokeism removes the flexibility to undergo for Christ. Since Christians will spend eternity in heaven, the place there is no such thing as a struggling, “I solely have my lifetime to supply obedience to Him and faithfulness within the face of persecution.” But woke Christianity “removes persecution for the sake of Christ as a result of persecution, in keeping with wokeism, is all the time based mostly upon my socioeconomic standing, my pores and skin colour, my nation of origin, my sexual desire, my gender, immigration standing, all of these items.”
Woke Christianity additionally “robs us of the flexibility to supply forgiveness,” he provides. “There is no such thing as a such factor as redemption or forgiveness, as a result of the opposite group is all the time labeled because the oppressor.”
“While you have a look at Scripture, it talks about not punishing individuals based mostly upon the acts of their mother and father or the acts of their ancestors,” Miles famous, referencing verses reminiscent of Ezekiel 18:20.
He laments that “now we have such a rise in biblical illiteracy within the church that most individuals can’t acknowledge” that these concepts are literally rejections of what Scripture teaches.
Miles encourages the church to really examine woke ideology, crucial concept, and demanding race concept, so as to “wrap our minds round it and untangle these doctrinal fishing traces,” so Christians can “clearly stand on understanding confidently we’re on biblical grounds to have the ability to say, ‘That is unbiblical, and right here is why.’”
The writer pastors a church based mostly close to South Bend, Indiana. He remembers the affect of then-South Bend Mayor Pete Buttigieg, who went on to grow to be a presidential candidate and secretary of transportation underneath President Joe Biden.
“It wasn’t the nationwide dialog that impressed this [book],” Miles says. “It was actually what was taking place regionally.” He says individuals “laughed at” him when he predicted that Buttigieg would run for president.
“Pete did one thing that I consider that no different presidential candidate has totally completed earlier than,” the pastor famous. “We’ve seen presidential candidates discuss their religion. We’ve seen them thank God for issues. We’ve seen them even pray. Pete would exegete passages on the marketing campaign path.” (“Exegesis” refers back to the cautious studying of Scripture, specializing in particular phrases to tease out a deeper that means.)
“He’s breaking down passages, utilizing them, actually, as, in some ways, form of propaganda for his numerous views,” Miles says. “And so, I consider that there was truly a turning level with him. I’m not going to say that Pete was single-handedly answerable for giving life to the Christian Left, however I believe he was a significant inspiration for lots of people on that aspect for that motive, as a result of he would construct these arguments about why Jesus was a refugee, so, due to this fact, we’d like open borders and unlawful immigration.”
Miles remembers briefly interviewing Buttigieg years in the past, and he cites Buttigieg’s father’s previous in translating the Marxist thinker Antonio Gramsci. He famous that Buttigieg “did quite a lot of issues to wash up the fast downtown” in South Bend, “however you go exterior of the world in any respect, and the town’s most likely the worst it’s ever been.”
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Tyler O’Neil: That is Tyler O’Neil, managing editor at The Each day Sign. I’m joined by Lucas Miles, a pastor, host of the present “Church and State with Lucas Miles,” and writer of the brand new e book “Woke Jesus: The False Messiah Destroying Christianity.” Thanks a lot for becoming a member of me.
Lucas Miles: Thanks for having me.
O’Neil: So, Lucas, are you able to stroll us by means of how the Left goals to subvert Jesus? I’ve seen Democrats declare Jesus was a radical, a refugee, even transgender. What’s occurring?
Miles: Certainly, there’s a concerted effort that appears to be selecting up quite a lot of momentum in recent times of the Left’s redefining of Christianity, re-imagining Christ, what he appears like, what his nature is, and, in fact, exterior of a biblical worldview.
However I believe it’s necessary that individuals perceive that this isn’t essentially a brand new phenomenon. That this, in my e book “Woke Jesus,” I am going again to as early because the 1700s, after the Enlightenment, throughout the post-Enlightenment interval, the world was at a distinct place and truly a really comparable place than it’s at this time the place there was a paradigm shift.
And so for the primary time there was an elevation of man’s mind over this concept of religion. And so logic and motive, the scientific methodology, Darwin, all these items, Hegel, all of those form of new machinations, if you’ll, of man grew to become the paramount.
So the church was in a dilemma. It needed to discover a option to make Scripture keep related. And so they did that really by wrongly, however most likely with good intention, they did it by minimizing the divinity of Christ and uplifting his humanity.
And that’s the identical debate now we have at this time, is, is Jesus only a nice human instance and a human witness that promotes a social gospel—and at occasions a socialist gospel—or is he actually divine? After all, the Christian reply is, he’s each, however that has sure implications.
So what we’re seeing at this time and what I write about in “Woke Jesus” are the varied iterations of Christ that we see introduced and now financed by the Left. And that’s what makes this completely different than simply what occurred within the 1700s.
The 1700s I believe, in some ways, was a pure discourse of theology within the conversations. What we see at this time is the monetization and the funding of a woke gospel so as to divide the church in order that the Left can actually weaken the evangelical vote on this nation, win elections, and acquire extra energy.
O’Neil: So how would you outline or clarify this woke gospel?
Miles: Yeah, so, for those who’re speaking to any person who’s an adherent to it, they might say most likely one thing like, though it could be way more complicated than this, that wokeism is a better consciousness or elevated sensitivity to the systemic oppression of varied demographics, whether or not that be individuals of colour or individuals based mostly upon their gender or sexual desire, or one thing like that.
The way in which that I’d describe it, first off, I believe it’s a doctrine of demons. I imply, its intention is to divide individuals. It’s a Marxist substructure that actually traces it and this concept that there’s an oppressor and oppressed and that everyone’s divided in these classes. So whether or not we’re speaking about crucial race concept or crucial queer concept, these are attributes of the woke gospel.
And I believe what woke Christianity or progressive Christianity or the Christian Left, it could possibly go by all these completely different names, it’s necessary to grasp that there’s a spectrum.
Now we have some people which have possibly some theological imaginations or leanings towards a few of these doctrines. After which now we have all-out activists which are actually leftist operatives inside the church. And I believe it’s necessary to present recognition to that as a result of our response to these completely different teams is completely different.
Any person who’s actually a believer that’s possibly embraced a social justice message as a result of they suppose it’s going to be the very best factor to assist the world, I’m going to reply to otherwise than a leftist infiltrator into the church that’s attempting to create a bunch of havoc.
And so we make the most of grace and fact, that are clearly very, very sturdy Christian ideas and values that we maintain to so as to stroll our approach by means of this. However wokeism, it’s antithetical to Christianity. And I believe one of many issues that’s necessary to level out is that one of many best issues with wokeism, from a Christian standpoint, is it robs us of the flexibility to have the ability to undergo for Christ.
As believers, one of many solely issues that we may give to the Lord on this aspect of heaven that we are able to’t give to him for eternity is glory within the midst of persecution and struggling. There will probably be no persecution and struggling in heaven. I solely have my lifetime so as to supply obedience to him and faithfulness within the face of persecution throughout this life.
However wokeism removes persecution for the sake of Christ as a result of persecution, in keeping with wokeism, is all the time based mostly upon my socioeconomic standing, my pores and skin colour, my nation of origin, my sexual desire, my gender, immigration standing, all of these items. In order that’s driving why individuals are being persecuted. It’s a really self-focused, man-focused view of persecution and struggling, and it by no means offers credence to having the ability to undergo for Christ.
And the opposite factor it does is it robs us of the flexibility to supply forgiveness. There is no such thing as a such factor as redemption or forgiveness as a result of the opposite group is all the time labeled because the oppressor and the wokeism would train you, or whether or not we’re speaking about different iterations of it, issues like black liberation theology would train you to by no means be good or swish to your oppressors, which, in fact, goes towards the Christian gospel as properly.
O’Neil: So do now we have in wokeism this form of bifurcation of black queer concept, “Oh, Jesus was a black LGBT particular person,” or no matter, and maybe Hispanic queer concept? Are there completely different variations and so they seize completely different elements of Jesus? Or is that this all one factor that you just’re saying?
Miles: I believe that you could possibly most likely greatest clarify this as a Hydra or you’ve the large octopus sea monster that we’re all experiencing a distinct tentacle of the identical factor. And so oftentimes these teams don’t even know that they’re a part of the identical type of physique of perception or construction.
However we noticed this I believe early with [Black Lives Matter]. BLM comes out on the scene, you begin having company donations to them, you go on their web site—like many People. And what I noticed was that they have been dedicated to principally a dismantling of the nuclear household. And then you definately go down the record slightly bit extra and also you see that they’re dedicated to supporting black trans rights.
And really shortly I believe BLM, which, from my vantage level, has completed just about nothing to assist deprived individuals in city neighborhoods or individuals of colour, what it has completed greater than something is it in a short time began, it type of opened the door for this trans revolution that we’ve seen. I believe that actually got here out of the BLM motion in quite a lot of methods.
So these teams oftentimes will form of hijack one another. They’ll combat for the highest of the meals chain. All of them need the identical factor and that could be a dismantling of this Western lifestyle.
Marxism by no means encourages fixing one thing. It doesn’t have a look at one thing and go, “How can we enhance this?” That’s a capitalist framework. What Marxism does is says, “Let’s burn it to the bottom and the phoenix will come up out of the ashes.” And I believe that that’s the aim of all these completely different teams.
And so are crucial race theorists or black liberation theologians or crucial queer theorists or the TikTok pastors which are sporting the rainbow scarfs, are all of them a part of the identical group? I don’t suppose that they suppose are. I believe they most likely suppose that they’re pleasant with each other, however I believe that there’s a better faculty of thought and that’s crucial concept on the whole that’s driving all of them.
It makes it very tough to fight as a result of despite the fact that they’re distinctive in every of their focus and messaging for us on the opposite aspect of this which are attempting to face for fact in a biblical worldview, they do produce, whether or not they even understand it, typically a really united entrance towards fact and motive and Scripture and these items that we see at this time. So it’s positively an attention-grabbing time to be alive.
O’Neil: Yeah. And we’ve touched on a number of of the problems the place there’s clear disconnect between the Christian Gospel and the trendy woke view, transgender ideology. The place are a few of these battle factors after which what encourages a few of these individuals to reexamine and truly come to an understanding of the Gospel?
Miles: Yeah, completely. So let’s say that we have a look at a problem like the problem of gender. The Bible could be very clear that there’s female and male, that marriage is female and male. And so we may undergo an entire sequence of Scriptures over that.
The LGBT group, you’ll hear arguments a couple of 1948 translation of Scripture and that this phrase we used for homosexuality, arsenokoitai I consider is the phrase, was not used previous to that point interval. And whenever you actually perceive what occurs right here, this phrase that we see that’s translated from the Greek into this phrase for homosexuality is a phrase that Paul primarily made up.
And he took two phrases from the, I consider it was the Septuagint, that he put these collectively and form of created this compound phrase and it’s primarily a phrase that suggests “those that lay with different males.”
So even for those who simply went to that passage, that’s not the one passage there. So we may have an argument about that passage, however you continue to must cope with all the opposite locations in Scripture the place it talks about fornication and evil in nowadays.
And I don’t know the way any Christian may very well be on the aspect whenever you have a look at a homosexual parade or a trans parade that’s taking place and ever have a look at that and say, “That appears like an occasion that’s selling righteousness or holiness.”
In order that’s one difficulty.
We may additionally discuss one thing, we noticed this throughout the COVID pandemic, for lack of a greater time period—I do know that we’d most likely fairly consider it as a plan-demic in some ways—however this factor that occurred, what we noticed is that for the Left who’s identified for pushing this concept of separation in church and state towards Christians—
So anytime any person prays within the Senate or at a soccer recreation, any person’s going to, on the Left, goes to say, “No, no, no. What about separation of church and state?” However hastily the Left was the one selling the concept, “Effectively, what would Jesus do on this scenario? Wouldn’t Jesus love his neighbor by getting the vaccine and wouldn’t Jesus be vaccinated?” And so we began seeing this push and I believe quite a lot of Christians wrestle to go, “What does Scripture supply to this?”
And so I level to 2 locations. We have a look at one thing like what in theology, what’s generally known as sphere sovereignty that God has given—there’s an order to creation, that he’s given kings and rulers authority over their nations and their sovereign borders. He’s given fathers authority over the household. He’s given elders and pastors authority over the church. He’s given all of us particular person authority over our personal physique and that we see that within the type of free will.
And we may have theological discussions about that. However no matter which aspect of the free will debate you’re on, I believe that everyone would acknowledge that there’s a sphere of sovereignty over your individual bodily physique.
That’s why now we have legal guidelines that for those who violate any person’s physique otherwise you harass them otherwise you abuse them in a roundabout way, that that’s towards the legislation. Why? Since you’re violating their sphere of sovereignty.
So there’s all types of theological arguments towards these completely different iterations that we see in wokeism, from the vaccine to even separating individuals based mostly upon race and colour and even the dialog about reparations for one thing. That is whenever you have a look at Scripture, it talks about not punishing individuals based mostly upon the acts of their mother and father or the acts upon on their ancestors.
And so there are such a lot of concepts which are being introduced at this time as “that is what Jesus would do” or “that is this biblical place” that anyone who has any biblical sense by any means ought to simply be capable of spot these. The issue is that now we have such a rise of biblical illiteracy within the church that most individuals can’t acknowledge it.
So what I’ve completed on this new e book, “Woke Jesus,” I truly quote Irenaeus, who was an early church father, within the begin of the e book. And he wrote a e book referred to as “In opposition to Heresies” attempting to defeat Gnosticism, an early heresy that got here towards the church within the—he wrote at 180 A.D. And he mentioned the rationale why the first-century church was not in a position to refute Gnosticism is that they didn’t perceive it totally.
And I consider the identical is true at this time. Except we begin understanding wokeism, crucial concept, crucial race concept, crucial queer concept, and we see it as extra than simply, “Effectively, that’s not true”—Why is it not true?—and actually be capable of wrap our minds round it and untangle these doctrinal fishing traces that we are able to actually clearly stand on understanding confidently we’re on biblical grounds to have the ability to say, “That is unbiblical and right here is why,” till the church is in a position to try this, I believe we’re going to proceed to run into this and have a tough time getting previous it.
O’Neil: … While you go up towards this left-ward twisting of Christianity, it appears as if most of the establishments in our society are tilted in that path the place they’re always pushing the Overton window on reparations, on these claims from the Left on transgenderism, specifically. I can’t see a Reuters or an AP article that ever cites criticism of “gender-affirming care.” It’s simply all the time assumed that, “Oh, all of the hospitals, all of the medical organizations help this.” How is it preaching into this void, saying, “No, Jesus doesn’t help all these things that appears to be pushed down upon us”?
Miles: Yeah. I believe that now we have to proceed to combat this battle on a number of fronts. And naturally, we need to do no matter we are able to.
If there’s a media outlet that can let me go on and discuss these points and so they’ll give it an trustworthy shake, I’ll do it. I don’t care who it’s, I’m going to go on there and actually be capable of supply my greatest protection. I consider that’s the place that the Lord has me in.
Now, am I conscious that there’s sure media shops which are by no means going to present this time of day and even sure—whether or not it’s authorities organizations or different main foundations or [nongovernmental organizations] or whatnot which are going to be on the entrance of shifting quite a lot of these items alongside? There are powers that don’t need this message to get on the market, and so they don’t need individuals to understand that the emperor has no garments and to have the boldness to begin admitting it.
They’re not on the lookout for that. However I believe that there are locations which are, and so now we have to have a good time these.
I believe that the conservatives and Christians are additionally doing an incredible job of making new platforms to have the ability to get the phrase out and to have the ability to actually collect their very own audiences.
I’m inspired by most of the apps which are popping up which are conservative-friendly, and there’s hazard in that as a result of quite a lot of the app platforms are ruled by left-leaning firms and people.
So it all the time is a dance and harmful. Even having a e book like this on Amazon, you all the time surprise, like, Amazon, they’ll pull the plug at any time when they need. Fortunately, they haven’t. And I admire what I see to be at the least nonetheless some form of a price there to permit books to breathe no matter content material, and which I’m actually for.
I believe that the opposite side of that is that we as Christians, now we have to acknowledge that that is, it’s not only a bodily battle, that there’s a non secular side to this as properly.
And I discuss this afterward within the e book. And I believe that for us to get by means of this, it could possibly grow to be very miserable, very overwhelming in a short time whenever you understand how a lot you’re up towards on this entire equation. It’s not even simply secular platforms. There are Christian teams that don’t need this message to exit. And that’s the place quite a lot of my work and writing has gone.
So now we have to recollect why we’re doing this, that finally, it’s not about me getting canceled, it’s not about this combat that I’m attempting to hold on. It’s actually concerning the Lord. And I believe that that’s what strikes me and motivates me day-after-day to rise up and if I can win any person over and actually assist them to have the ability to see this.
I simply had a lady come as much as me and she or he watches my present “Church and State” and she or he mentioned, “Are you Lucas Miles?” And I mentioned, “Sure.” And that doesn’t occur day-after-day to me. However I talked to her and she or he goes, “I escaped communism.” And she or he goes, “I watch your present each single time it’s on.” And she or he goes, “I simply need you to know the way a lot it means to me that you’re bringing the reality to this that most individuals don’t understand and so they’re not conscious of.”
These form of issues actually preserve me going within the face of a lot opposition that’s actually on the market.
O’Neil: And the place are you a pastor? The place’s your congregation at?
Miles: Yeah. So, my church known as Nfluence Church … and it’s proper exterior of South Bend, Indiana, a suburb referred to as Granger, Indiana, nearly 10 minutes from the College of Notre Dame. And we prefer to suppose we’re the middle of the nation as a result of now we have the 2 highways that run east and west and north and south all through the entire nation, throughout a couple of mile from my church. So Indiana, … that’s been dwelling. However we’re on the street quite a bit. We’re doing occasions across the nation. Numerous other ways to get related with us and folks can discover all that and extra on my web site at lucasmiles.org.
O’Neil: So did a sure former mayor lead you to contemplate writing these books?
Miles: Yeah. So, it’s humorous. Individuals all the time ask me, as a result of I haven’t been within the political dialog eternally—I actually began most likely ramping up 2012, 2013, 2014, and we began getting bolder. And it wasn’t the nationwide dialog that impressed this. It was actually what was taking place regionally.
And Mayor Pete [Buttigieg], who clearly his regime was in-built South Bend, I began warning about him most likely as early as 2012. I began speaking to individuals about, “Hey, this man’s going to make a run for White Home. He’s doing all these items.” And folks laughed at me early on about it. And we knew the historical past of his dad’s involvement in translating [Antonio] Gramsci and all these lengthy historical past of crucial concept ties with Pete and his household.
And I do know Pete, he would possibly declare that he doesn’t know me, I’ve been round him. I interviewed him for Chamber of Commerce years again and we’ve had slightly little bit of interactions collectively through the years.
Nevertheless it was a wake-up name simply to see, for those who go to downtown South Bend, there’s features the place you noticed that Pete did quite a lot of issues to wash up the fast downtown, however you go exterior of that space in any respect and the town’s most likely the worst it’s ever been. Our crime is up. I imply, it’s only a catastrophe. And what we’re seeing now could be it was type of actually a man that Pete knighted to take over. It’s been a Democratic-run metropolis for I believe 50, 60 years.
So I’m working with some native individuals hoping to alter that as a lot as we are able to and actually attempting to do our half. However yeah, there was positively some inspiration there.
O’Neil: Yeah. As a result of I assumed, throughout that presidential cycle, listening to him always like he took his religion significantly, and but he would twist it each time, and “life begins with breath” and all this—
Miles: Yeah. So, that is the one—and I’ve talked about this quite a bit. I’ve not heard quite a lot of different individuals truly apart from you discover that and point out that. Pete did one thing that I consider that no different presidential candidate has totally completed earlier than. And we’ve seen presidential candidates discuss their religion. We’ve seen them thank God for issues. We’ve seen them even pray.
Pete would exegete passages on the marketing campaign path. And so he’s breaking down passages, utilizing them actually as—in some ways—form of propaganda for his numerous views. And so I consider that there was truly a turning level with him. I’m not going to say that Pete was single-handedly answerable for giving life to the Christian Left, however I believe he was a significant inspiration for lots of people on that aspect for that motive as a result of he would construct these arguments about why Jesus was a refugee, so due to this fact we’d like open borders and unlawful immigration.
And Jesus—now I noticed one thing the opposite day on TikTok. It was a man who mentioned that Jesus was most definitely both homosexual or transgender as a result of he wore a tunic. And that’s quite a bit like a gown, so due to this fact he was a crossdresser.
And it’s simply these—however I believe there’s most likely younger individuals on the market that hear this and so they go, “Oh, yeah, so insightful.” However whenever you perceive historical past, these are ludicrous, they’re asinine concepts. However we’re successful individuals over as a result of I believe that they’ve tapped into Marx and others of simply the helpful fool form of framework.
They’re benefiting from individuals based mostly upon pulling on their heartstrings, giving them these propaganda items. And I believe that whenever you take the time to essentially speak to any person, they get educated concerning the insurance policies, they begin seeing the affect.
I’ve traveled everywhere in the nation, I’ve been in international locations which are managed by dictators and corruption and every little thing else. And also you see these issues and also you understand that, “You realize what? America’s a reasonably good place to reside, however there’s some individuals I believe which are going out of their approach attempting to wreck that.”
O’Neil: Yeah. Do you see any tie with woke Jesus and the deconversion tales we’ve been listening to?
Miles: Yeah. Yeah. I believe this difficulty of deconversion is a significant, main matter, and I believe it’s going to most likely grow to be much more so within the years that come.
Individuals have gone by means of quite a lot of church damage. I name it post-traumatic church dysfunction. And I don’t say that to belittle it. They’ve gone by means of some actually damaging issues.
I believe the peak of legalism that we noticed most likely after I was a child did quite a lot of harm to individuals and there wasn’t—within the steadiness of grace and fact, it was a excessive fact aspect and little or no grace. After which the pendulum swing, it swung now to this excessive grace aspect with little or no fact and in some methods it’s swinging again.
And now now we have this polarization the place now we have a gaggle over right here that’s excessive grace and a gaggle over right here that’s excessive fact and typically they’re each lacking features of this, and so typically it feels slightly lonelier within the heart there.
However I believe this deconversion factor, now we have to maintain our eyes on this. I believe that it actually requires—there’s a biblical idea to deconversion type of, it’s referred to as repentance. And repentance is, I do away with my previous methods of considering and I embrace his methods of considering and I flip away from all of the concepts that I’ve held which are opposite to him.
The issue is, with deconversion, they’re going from one perception that they held, which was oftentimes improper, to a different perception that they maintain, which is oftentimes improper. And neither group is ever taking the time to go, “What does Scripture actually must say about this?”
I consider that we are able to look to the Lord, we are able to look to Scripture. It’s a e book that’s God-breathed, that’s impressed, it’s authoritative. It’s the phrase of God and it’s helpful for each single side of my life. And so my ardour is to assist younger individuals and actually individuals of all types to have the ability to come again to the phrase of God as first place. And I believe we are able to do away with quite a lot of this type of nonsense that’s on the market.
O’Neil: Yeah. Effectively, thanks a lot, Lucas. The place can the individuals comply with you?
Miles: Yeah. They’ll head over to lucasmiles.org and discover out extra about me. In the event that they’re occupied with reserving me for a talking occasion or grabbing a replica of my e book, my new e book “Woke Jesus” is accessible on Amazon or wherever else books are offered. We simply this morning hit No. 1 new launch in one of many larger classes. So I used to be tremendous excited to see that occur. However admire the help and your time.
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